Yvonne Heimann [00:00:01]:
What does it take to turn a handful of pennies and a mountain of challenges into a thriving vintage business, and even a debt free life on a five acre farm? Today, we are digging into the realities women face when starting over and building their own business from scratch. There's the struggle of breaking free from limiting beliefs, the push and pull of unsteady income and resale, and the overwhelm of keeping things personal while scaling.
Add in the unpredictability of auctions and the constant need to adapt to changing markets, and it can seem impossible. But our guest, Kira Hartley Klinger, has weathered it all, transforming hardship and uncertainty into bestselling books. A bustling Etsy shop, and even a shot at a reality TV show. In this episode Kira shares her journey from survival to entrepreneural success.
Her stories are fabric finds and persistence that keep her going. Get ready to hear practical advice, personal stories, and a real dose of inspiration for your own journey.
Yvonne Heimann [00:01:16]:
And with that, let me introduce you to Kira Hartley Klinger. You have been buying and selling more than for more than 20 years. The stories of your adventure have led to two books, guest speaking, podcasting, as we can tell right here, and TV too. She specializes in vintage fabric and antique tin textiles with a dedicated space on Etsy. Kira's journey started 40 years ago. No, we are not aging anybody here. Gladies. We are having fun.
And that journey started as a teenager with a baby, an abusive marriage, and more pennies than a dollar in your pocket. So you climb slowly but with determination and a belief in yourself and found your way to a better life. Kira now lives on a five acre farm debt free and spends her time at estate auctions, in her flower gardens or with your grandchildren. Look at you go. Kira also believes in helping others and dedicates time to her various missions. Lady, Lady. That's a whole collection right there. Holy.
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:02:40]:
It's a whole collection
Yvonne Heimann [00:02:47]:
Yes. You all listening now? We are trying to keep the episode somewhere around between 30 and 45 minutes. This might be becoming a longer one and I would love to start in this. We already mentioned your journey started as a teenager with a baby and abusive marriage and more pennies than a dollar in your pocket. What was that turning point that sparked you believe in yourself, that set you on this path of entrepreneurship? What happened there? Because if I look at my own experience, not with children, but similar relationships and similar situations, I had a lot of belief that I don't deserve. I can't. Have you experienced something similar. And what was that turning point?
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:03:38]:
Very much so. You know, I did get married. I married at 18, had a baby at 18. I really can't say that I wanted to go to college. I did want to have a family. I just didn't really know what the right kind of marriage looked like. When I was 18 years old, I was an excellent student. I excelled in English, I loved to write.
I've been writing since I was a very small child. And I just kind of had this belief. All I ever wanted to do was write. And I felt like if you're a storyteller, it's something that you don't learn. And I can figure this out. And so I started writing. I started writing very soon after my first son was born. I eventually, you know, I had three children at some point, but I was getting up in the wee hours of the morning and I was writing and I wrote four 400 page novels in my 20s.
You know, about all these things that I thought life was about. And, you know, I was the expert in my 20s and. And I did have an agent for a while. He did get me a few reads with some prominent publishers. But over the course of 10 years, I never got a novel published. I never sold anything. And it was very frustrating. And, you know, I knew the schedule of the mailman.
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:05:00]:
And back then, you know, Tuesday was known as junk mail Tuesday because I could count the cycles of when mail should arrive. And so I knew Tuesday there would be no rejections, There would be nothing. So Tuesday was my real. Other than that, I was stalking the mailman all the time looking for these rejection letters. I had a huge box of rejection letters. And so at that point, there was a big move. We moved across the state, and I kind of got away from writing for a while. I was working on the playground at the school.
I'm like, you know, I tried it, I did it. I couldn't get anywhere with it. And then my daughter and I, who was 10 at the time, we started volunteering. She fell in love with horses at 8. And I had horses growing up. So my answer to this need for a horse was we started volunteering at an equestrian therapy center. And I was really inspired by how well she took to this. This program and helping others and taking care of horses.
And she really learned a lot about horses during this four years that we spent with this program. And, you know, we won volunteer of the year once and she won this big college scholarship from Kohl's. And, you know, it just was this really great experience. And I felt inspired. And I'm like, I'm going to write an article about this. So I wrote a magazine article. Very first magazine I sent it to, bought it, and all of a sudden it was published. I was like, wow, you know, okay.
And once upon a time, somebody had said to me, write what you know. And so I guess in my 20s I thought I knew, but right then it kind of clicked and I'm like.
Yvonne Heimann [00:06:38]:
Like, don't we all? Don't we all?
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:06:40]:
Yeah. So it's like, I kind of. I do know what I'm talking about. So the editor of that magazine, she also ended up buying a follow up piece to it, you know, So I was like, wow. But then divorce happened. And so divorce kind of propelled me into I have to make money. And selling $50 magazine articles does not make money, you know, So I started buying and selling. Found out I was pretty good at it.
And at some point I was always looking for cheap things to buy and sell, you know, Back then, you couldn't look it up on your phone to see what it was worth. We didn't have that technology, so you had to guess.
Yvonne Heimann [00:07:19]:
I remember those days. I was literally joking the other day looking something up on my phone. A weird fruit or something, right? And I'm like, what did we do before we had a phone installation store to look something up?
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:07:34]:
Yeah, right? I have no idea. We went to the library during opening hours, and if they didn't have it, they ordered it for some. I mean, it was. Yeah. So, you know, I was buying a lot of cheap things because I couldn't afford to make big investments. And one thing that popped up cheap one time was a bunch of fabric in the backyard of an estate. And I was like, okay, I. I know nothing about fabric, but I can get it really cheap and I'm gonna learn.
And. And so I did. And so eventually I started selling fabric. And then it spun off into its own separate shop for vintage and out of print textiles, estate fabric, and just this really unique shop. And I started to tell little stories on my listing pages, you know, because like, a writer has to write. It just comes out. And it could have been about the estate. It could have been about.
I mean, the auctioneers are ridiculous. It could have been about the competition. There was always something to tell. A lot of times it was really funny. Sometimes it was inspiring. But I would put these little snippets. And so all of my customers started to write to me and say, you really need to write a book. And then I had this big, huge full circle moment.
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:08:45]:
I'm like, wait a minute. What? You know, you're actually telling me to write a book. I spent 10 years, you know, so, yeah, so I wrote the first book. And again, I am cheap. And the best way of advertising was to stick these little notes in all of my packages saying, all right, I wrote the book. You know, this is Fabric Wars. It's available. Go buy it was better written than that, but you get the idea.
And six weeks later, I got an email from a woman that said, you know, I am a TV producer, and I want to know what you think about reality tv. I was like, what? Really? You know? And I was, are you for real?
Yvonne Heimann [00:09:30]:
Okay, reality tv? Is this actually a real pitch? And how real is reality tv?
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:09:38]:
Right? I'm like, who are you? You know, I spent 10 years writing out these long, thought provoking letters to editors and publishers and rejection after rejection, and I slipped in one pre written, pre copied, snipped out note inside a package, and I It just, it just was weird.
Yvonne Heimann [00:10:00]:
Now, a little birdie told me there was something going on in the second book towards, I think the second to the last chapter, something to do with Playboy or Hustler. What is that story behind that?
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:10:20]:
Okay, so. And this is a story about an auctioneer. There's like two different auctions that I typically partake in. The very best kind of auction is to go to an estate auction where it's on site. And where I live, I'm very rural, so. So you can find these fantastic farm auctions where there's been three and four generations that have lived there. And now it's finally time to sell the house. And they've got all this stuff in the attic and everything's laid out on the lawn.
I mean, those are my dream auctions. Okay? But during the wintertime in Ohio, when it's bitterly cold, and they do these year round, they have in house auctions. And a lot of them are estate leftovers, a lot of them are consignment sales. And, you know, when I have a bunch of stuff to get rid of, I take them to one of these auction houses. You know, it's. Sometimes it's a collectible auction where a collector wants to get rid of a bunch of stuff so they can buy more. It's not my kind of auction, but I get hungry and I get bored during the wintertime. And so I find myself looking at these.
And they have this online platform which a lot of auctioneers are doing these days, which I can't stand. But you have as long as two weeks to consider these items that are for sale. So anybody can jump on, look them up and do their research. It's not like going to an estate auction in person where in, in 90 seconds it's over and you either bought.
Yvonne Heimann [00:11:47]:
It, you don't have that adrenaline. Like, you go there, you see something, you need to make a decision. It's like, yeah, you're buying something online. It's kind of like, yeah, let's add that to the Amazon shopping cart. And it's going to sit there for two weeks till you make a final decision.
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:12:00]:
Exactly. You know, but the thing about it is, is that these auctioneers that run these, a lot of them are shady. And there are so many stories in my two books about how many times I have been deceived and tricked and misled in these online auctions. And, you know, one of them was so bad that I quit doing his auctions. I'm like, I've had it. I've had enough. No, no more. And so this was a new guy.
Never shopped with him before. And so I had all these things in my cart that I was looking at because I won't bid end. You can't snipe like you can on. On ebay, they give you a five minute increase if somebody bids at the last minute. But I'm not going to show my cards too early and draw attention to something that maybe nobody else was looking at. So one of the things that was in my cart were Playboy magazines from the 1940s. Okay. In the 1950s, late 40s and early 50s.
And so there's a, there's a woman called Bettie Page that was a popular pinup in the 1950s. And most people don't know who Bettie Page is. I know, I know who she is because of another find that I had and that's in one of my other stories in the book. So if you want to know how I know about Bettie Page, you got to read the book. But anyway, she was comparable to Marilyn Monroe, except she was a brunette. Okay. So I really hope that one of those magazines was the premiere edition with Bettie Page, because the very first Playboy magazine had Marilyn Monroe. And both of those two magazines are neck and neck for value.
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:13:34]:
And in a good quality Marilyn Monroe, first edition playboy magazine from 1953. 53. Anyway, it's worth about 1200 bucks. So the models that were in these magazines were not Bettie Page, they were not Marilyn Monroe. They were a little bit more unknown. But the magazine still had a value of 100 to 200 bucks a piece. So I put them on my watch page. Okay, so there were, there were some other things I was watching.
There were some quilts that I was watching for the shop, and we had a soccer game for a granddaughter when it was going to end. And I said, okay, well, I'm going to place my bid ahead of time, which I never do. But it's like, this is a soccer game. It's my granddaughter. It's important. I'm not going to be looking at my phone while I'm supposed to be watching her play soccer. I'm going to just throw out my highest possible bid. If I win it, I win it.
If I don't, oh, well. So I go to put the listing on the play the my highest price in the Playboy magazines, and they've been pulled, they're gone. So I'm like, well, where did they go? They're just gone. And sometimes, sometimes the family members get annoyed or they say, oh, I didn't want. Really want to sell that. Or nobody's really bidding. I'm going to take it back. So I'm like, all right, well, maybe the guy just really liked his Playboy magazines and wanted them back, you know.
Meanwhile, my sister's in the background going, but do you really want those old Playboy magazines? She's like, there's so much DNA on them. Do you really want them? And I'm like, I'll wear gloves because I really do.
Yvonne Heimann [00:15:00]:
I love the DNA comment.
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:15:05]:
So, we get through the auction and, or the, the game, and I look to see what I won, and it shows, like these two. It shows everything that I won, but it shows these two quilts that ended at my maximum bid. But it didn't. It said I was not the winner. It said I was outbid. So I was like, well, now, how is that? You know? And so the next day I'm home and I'm annoyed and I call the auctioneer. And, you know, this was an online and in person auction, and I was gonna go, but because of the soccer game, I did not. And so I said to him, I said, I don't understand how I didn't win these.
And he says, well, you know, when it's online and in person, and if the person in the audience bids your exact bid and we come back to the computer, well, we don't see a higher bid. And he said, it's not like we know what your bids are, because that would be really dishonest, you know. And I said, yes, but when you go to an in person auction and you leave an absentee bid because you can't stay, that bid is the Bible, and that bid is what the auctioneer follows. The auctioneer will go to that bid. That's. That's the bottom line. And he says, yeah, well, it's just, it's just bad luck. I'm like, really? And so then I asked him about the Playboy magazines.
They said, where did the Playboy magazines go? And he says, oh, well, you know, this, this bidding platform that we use to be able to reach people across the United States, nationwide. He said, this bidding platform doesn't really like people to sell things like pornography and guns. And so we'll put it out there, but if we get caught and they pull it, well, then you have to know to go to our website and you can bid on it privately there. And I'm thinking to myself, you just got done telling me how honest you guys were, but you're cheating your bidding platform. So I don't usually speak up to these auctioneers, but they had, like, taken the cake at this point, you know, and it was building up, and I'm one of those people that cry in confrontational situations, and I get so angry with myself, you know, so I'm giving myself this pep talk the whole hour to this. This auction place. What I'm gonna say, what I'm gonna do, and I'm really gonna let him have it, you know? So I go in there. Sadly, the auctioneer was not there.
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:17:23]:
His two women helpers were there. In my book, they're called henchmen. So they're being polite as can be because they know I'm aggravated. I've spoken to two of them at this point, and I just let them have it. I was just like, you know, the way you guys are doing business is really, really shady. It's just not even right. Oh, well, you know, it just. It just.
It was an accident. It just happens. And we're trying to fix this and trying to fix that, like tripping over themselves, making up excuses, you know. And so it went back and forth and back and forth for a while. And finally I picked up my last thing and I looked at, and I'm like, you know, you guys are gonna make a really great chapter in my current book. And I said, google me. I'm out there. And I turn around and I walked in.
Yvonne Heimann [00:18:10]:
I played that game. Oh, yeah.
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:18:12]:
You know, and I've done so many Instagram videos. I've written the books. I've, you know, I've got the shops. I'm doing podcasts. If you Google my name, yeah. The page explodes, and it makes me look like 10 times more important than I am. But I was almost done with my second book, and I went back and inserted. Because the last chapter.
The second book needs to be the last chapter. So I put it right before. I'm like, oh, yeah, I need to talk about this. You know, it's like, I'm not naming names. I'm not bringing you down. But you know what?
Yvonne Heimann [00:18:45]:
Now the interesting personal story of mine, I have a similar. Similar, but not similar story.
My dad actually did get two Playboys, which is why I was giggling when you said Playboys. And, you know, the old ones, they actually still had girls in them. Let's be honest. Now it's just advertising. Back in the day, they actually had girls in.
And that was still East Germany. Playboys. And all of those magazines were forbidden. You went to jail for those.
My dad was Allowed to go travel to West Germany. My mom and I had to stay behind because it was a funeral of a sister, of a brother, of a mother of it. You always needed an excuse, right? So the guys over in West Germany take my dad into a triple X store and buy him two of those thick original Playboys. Right? They are thick. You have the girls in there, barely any advertising. He smuggles them back into East Germany under his jacket. He was all up and blazer and all the things, right? He smuggles them back in and literally trades them off girl by girl to build a two car garage and a dog kennel. To this day, I am definitely still his daughter because we make anything work.
So it's like, it's hilarious.
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:20:15]:
It's crazy. And you know those Betty Page negatives? A little sneak preview. I found them under the stairs in the basement of a guy that was a, you know, basement photographer. And he had all this porn that was out in the open. But this stack of Bettie Page negatives were well hidden. Yeah, And I paid like $6 for the whole cabinet which included all of this old photograph paper, which was also worth money. I mean, I made so much money on that closet down below. But I had no way of knowing if those negatives were real or if they were copies.
I didn't know. And there was no way to really find out. So when I sold them to some guy for like 660 bucks, I sold him as a set and then he was selling them off piecemeal like your dad getting four and five hundred dollars a piece. But I didn't want to take the gamble on whether they were real or not. I was happy to get 660 off of my six. Take them. You can be the middleman. Have fun.
Yvonne Heimann [00:21:11]:
Now you, you talk about how the resale world can be quite messy. As you mentioned in this specific. For example, you sell it off as a badge. I have a friend that has a storage full of vintage sports clothing up in California. She decided to not go the whole bachelor, but piece by piece. So I know the work that goes into this. What, what are some of the systems or mindset exercises you do with this constant push and pull and chaos and selling or not selling and book selling and peace selling that, that keep you and your business level. Because I can imagine business like this can be quite a roller coaster.
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:22:09]:
It really is. There are seasons that are good and seasons that are bad. And you know, there's certain algorithms on online stores that react with how often you list. And you know, I have had family business that has taken me away several weeks so far this year. At one time it was for six weeks and my stores had to be closed. I couldn't ship anything. And I call it feeding the pig. And if I'm not feeding the pig, my sales screech to a halt.
It doesn't really matter what I'm selling or how good it is, it'll just, it'll just stop. So I'm in catch up mode right now. You know, I'm, I'm lucky that stuff. Etsy is pretty good. Etsy is pretty much consistent. I have a lot of repeat customers and they will wait for me to come back and they will keep filling their carts. But especially with ebay, the more you list, the more visible you are.
So right now, I mean, my house is overrun and there's a series in the second book called the Black Hole and it's a six part auction where I had the opportunity to buy mid century collectibles. And a lot of it was bark cloth and linen and really fabulous draperies and fabrics from the mid century and everything else too. And I filled my whole house. I filled my, my garage. My garage is kind of like my storage space and this was a year ago and I'm still trying to finish the sort. So I'm constantly trying to create a new space because I need to have my sanity in check too, you know, So I have my office, which is where I am now, and I can go in there and I can close the door. Eventually my garage out there is going to be online central because I'm jealous of my husband that he can clock out at the end of the day and come home and not think about work until the next morning. You know, meanwhile I'm still answering emails when I wake up at 4 o' clock in the morning.
Yvonne Heimann [00:24:00]:
I don't know if I'm ever flipping fully going to be able to do this. So I feel you're completely on this and I'm getting better and better at taking the weekend easy. I'm not going to make myself feel guilty working on the weekend, if I want to work on the weekend, but also paying attention to take the weekends. Right. So I completely feel you on that. I just don't know if I'm ever going to be able to fully clock out. I'm too passionate about my business to just fully disconnect. I don't know.
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:24:30]:
No, I, you know, I was listening to a podcast interview with a woman who was talking about her business and that. She says when her kids come home and her husband comes home, she puts her phone on do not disturb. My phone is never on do not disturb. I might turn the ring on.
I don't, you know, I don't sleep all night. I get up in the middle of the night and come down to use the bathroom, and the first thing I do is look at my phone, you know, because in my world, if somebody has a question about something and they don't get a quick answer, they're gonna go buy it someplace else and they're there.
Yvonne Heimann [00:25:07]:
I'm curious. So if I have my numbers right, you got somewhere, I think 16,000 Etsy sales. You got your five star rating. How, how do you stay scalable with a personal touch? Because you were already talking about your community was reaching out. Hey, you really should should but write those books. Your Etsy followers are waiting for new fabrics to drop and all kinds of things. How do you combine that level of sales and things going on with maintaining quality and personal touch?
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:25:48]:
So I have developed friendships and relationships with a lot of my customers on Etsy. I have one friend. I call her my Texas pen pal. We've never met. She's seen my voice and, and, or seen my voice. She's heard my voice and seen me because she follows me along and watched the podcasts and whatnot. I've never heard her voice. You know, I've seen pictures of her.
But we started friends because she was probably my best Etsy customer at the time. And we've been friends for three years now, you know, so I have to squeeze in texting her every day too, you know, with everything else, I don't know. You know, I put notes in all the packages and I keep track if they're a repeat customer or if they are a new customer, a new customer. I want them to know all about me. You know, I want them to know about the books. I wanted, want them to know about my potential TV series. I want them to know these things about me. And a lot of them have already visited my shops and read the stories and followed the estates.
Nobody's happier than my customers when a new one drops in a new estate and they get to read all about, oh, where did this come from? So it's just a. And I don't have that with my customers on ebay. We don't talk that much. It's more of a transactional thing. And, you know, that's, that's kind of been that's my original store, and I've made a lot of money there. I've sold a lot of incredible things there. Fabric is. It's a trickler.
It's not that big hit. It's 50 here, 100 here. It's the constant trickle. It's 100% more work than ebay is, but it's where the people are, you know, and it's where the books started and. And the speaking at quilting guilds. And it's just become a really personal journey. You know, the people that sew and quilt, they have stories of their own, and they like incorporating the stories of other people into their projects, and they like reusing things that are already out there. So, yeah, I just very accidentally created this very unique market that nobody else has packaged up quite the way that I have.
Yvonne Heimann [00:27:54]:
I'm curious, for women wanting to step into resale or that kind of vintage business, what is one actionable step they could take this week to get started? Where. Where do they start?
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:28:10]:
Yeah, it is, you know, it is a really, really long process. Like, I've been buying and selling for 20 years, and every step of the way is a journey. And something that was worth something 20 years ago might be worthless now. I mean, ebay started as a place to sell beanie babies, you know, and it's. It's fizzled out longer. Burger baskets used to be super collectible. It's fizzled out, you know, so you have to really stay ahead of what's. What's hot.
And without even going to an auction, you can get on ebay and you can use keywords, you can use just random. Put vintage as a keyword, hit search right next to search, hit advanced search, scroll down and hit sold listings. And then hit search again and then hit sort from highest to lowest, and you can see really random, weird things that sell. I mean, once upon a time, vintage cloth diapers brought really great money. My mother's nylon granny panties, used or new? Bring great money. There are weird things out there. Depends. Undergarments, back when they were like Pampers.
Plastic diapers back from the 80s, bring good money. There are really stupid, bizarre things out there that are worth money. And the only way you're going to know what's worth money is to research what is currently sold. And you can't just look at ebay and look at what people are asking because people are fishing. You have to look at what's actually sold.
Yvonne Heimann [00:29:55]:
Yeah, it's like anything can be offered out there. You don't know if somebody is actually Buying it. I think that's, that's a general business problem of just putting things out there because we think somebody is going to buy it rather than knowing what the market is asking for. You also have a dream of a reality TV show and I loved that. The whole, the whole 50 something, killing it in a male dominated area of resale, girl.
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:30:29]:
I, this was not my, this was not my idea. I am this rural, you know, grandmother, for crying out loud. You know, we have camp on the farm, I have chickens, you know, I mean, I don't. Yeah, when she reached out to me, I was floored. I was just like, I don't even know how to think about that, what to think about that. So part of her plan has been to encourage me to put myself out there more, to gain more exposure, you know, So I started doing the Instagram videos and I started doing more podcasts because I had done a podcast right after the release of the first book. Somebody found me and said, hey, I want you on my show. Well, now I've been on her show twice and so I'm like, okay, so this is just part of my journey and I don't know if I'm going to end up on tv.
I don't know what that looks like. I, yeah, this, it's what she sees it.
Yvonne Heimann [00:31:25]:
What message? No matter where that goes, you are out there. If the TV show happens or not, you're out there. You're on podcasts, you are on social media. For anybody watching your journey, for any woman that's watching your journey, what do you hope they get out of watching your journey? What's the message you would want to send them?
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:31:50]:
That no matter where you start out, I mean, honestly, I think everybody has a dream somewhere and nobody's going to be able to chase it but you. And it really doesn't matter where you are in that journey. I started my journey with nothing. Yes, it was a long journey and a hard climb, but if you're not willing to go the mile, you know, nobody else is going to do it for you. If you're passionate enough about it, you have to go after it. You have to keep pushing and you have to believe in yourself and surround yourself with people who also believe in you and who believe in your journey.
Yvonne Heimann [00:32:26]:
Yeah, I feel that oneIt's like it's been, it's been, been a big spring cleaning in my life over the last year where it's like, huh, I've just been giving in that relationship. Yeah, we let that fizzle out. And then here I am in the middle of Kansas with my bestie that I've known for, I need to say, like, maybe five years at this point, and. Same thing. We met online, we chatted. Then it came to a point where we were at the same conferences, so we at least saw each other, like, maybe twice a year. And when I decided to pack everything up, here I am, another one of those friends that I barely had seen in person before.
And you never. You just never know how it goes. And I've seen the impact of who do you surround yourself with? And it's interesting because sometimes it's just an NSG suck. Sometimes it's a big learning moment, and sometimes it's more integration. So it's been. It's been really interesting paying attention to how.
How Impacts me and my energy and the work I'm doing. How.
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:33:45]:
Yes, yes, I feel that. I mean, I. My. My first marriage drained me. I was suffocating. And I still managed to find that time alone early in the morning when everybody was in bed. And even, you know, I still have the books. Maybe they're on floppies, you know, maybe one day.
But, yeah, you got to find that minute for yourself, something. And I. I'm remarried now. And he is supportive, and he's in my corner in the book. Everybody in the book has a nickname. His nickname is Helper. And he's just there. He's there, he's just there, you know, and so he is really.
All of my growth has really happened since I met him. He has allowed me to explore, to be me, you know, so, yeah, you get one shot at life.
Yvonne Heimann [00:34:35]:
I got one of those in my life, too. Kira, for everybody that wants to learn more about you, that wants to. Wants to meet you, that wants to check you out, where can people find you?
Kira Hartley Klinger [00:34:42]:
You can come to my Etsy shop, Dod Oddity D O D O D D I T Y named after my grandfather. Stories in the book, too. But anyway, you can message me there, you can buy my books there and get them signed. You can also buy my books on Amazon. The books are Fabric wars and Fabric wars and more. Coincidentally, my best friend and I just wrote a children's book, so that's a whole nother podcast angle. But, you know, it's. It's just something's always clicking.
I can't stop, like.
Yvonne Heimann [00:35:18]:
There's always something going on with you. And for everybody you want to check out Kira, as always, links are in the description. We're gonna make it really really easy for you. I'm gonna be interested to see where all of these fabrics are going to. So we might just gonna have to have you on for rehashing book number three and all the things that happened. The TV show is happening. I'm like, now I'm invested. I feel like we are already on reality TV here.
Thank you so much for joining me today. This was so much fun. It's like this is why I love my podcast. I never know where the episodes actually take us.
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