Boss Your Business - The Podcast

[00:00:00] Yvonne Heimann: Hey, hey everybody, and we are back for another episode of Boss Your Business, and today, we have Sabrina Victoria here who went from being a struggling single mom to us keeping a 13 year narcissistic abusive relationship. Girl, I feel you on that one. Your tenacity and your optimistic spirit has inspired fans worldwide and helped endless amounts of people break through and discover their own untapped talents and immense potential.

[00:00:33] Yvonne Heimann: Now, a creator and CEO of Human Better 365, a human transformation company, creator of the Her Vision Podcast and founder of Her Nation community. A speaker, entrepreneur, and author. I am so happy to have you here my fellow narcissistic, this podcast is explicit, asshole, survivor, thriver kicking the ass, girl, I feel you. [00:01:00]

[00:01:01] Sabrina Victoria: I love it. Thank you for having me.

[00:01:04] Yvonne Heimann: So you have great to reach. You've got your own podcast. You've got the whole thing going on. First question always on this podcast is, how did you get here? What's Sabrina's story?

[00:01:18] Sabrina Victoria: Yes, yes. Um, I love telling stories. I always say that my business, the foundation of my business is storytelling.

[00:01:28] Sabrina Victoria: I think that it's one of the most powerful things that we can do as a, as a human, is to share, um, some of the vulnerable parts of our story. So, um, not gonna make it too long, but, um, we're raised as a Jehovah's Witness, actually. A lot of people don't know that about me. Raised as a Jehovah's Witness and my parents were converted by the whole like door knocking cliche.

[00:01:55] Yvonne Heimann: So it does work? At least once in a while. It does [00:02:00] work. Okay.

[00:02:01] Sabrina Victoria: Yes. And everything was kind of fine until I became boy crazy around the age of 16. At the age of 20, I ended up pregnant with no husband, which was a huge no-no. And that was the pivotal point in my life. So I was excommunicated from my entire family and the community that I hadn't ever, yeah, the whole community I'd ever known and was basically cast out.

[00:02:28] Sabrina Victoria: Baby daddy was no longer around. That's a whole nother story, but, the, um, premise is the whole single mom, stereotypical life of just no money, living paycheck to paycheck, barely. I always say that there was a rolling, um, amount of, about a negative $172 in my bank account at any given moment, just scraping by, barely eating beans and rice.

[00:02:54] Sabrina Victoria: Having to walk to the grocery store because I can't have food, food, food and gas, having to [00:03:00] dig in my couch cushions for gas money, just the whole thing. Suicidal thoughts, wanting to kill my baby, thoughts dealing with postpartum but not knowing it. About a year or so of that, I don't even know how I managed that, but of that, I met a man who I thought was going to save me. I thought he was given to me by God. Even though he had red flags stapled all over his body, I just, um, disregarded all of those because I was just so desperate for attention, so desperate, just for anybody's love and affection. I ignored all the ridiculousness and just fell for all the things that narcissists are known for. Within a very short amount of time, he convinced me to leave my place and move in with him, leave my job, work for him, get rid of my phone, use his phone, get rid of my car, his car. Yes.

[00:03:54] Yvonne Heimann: So it was the full-on list.

[00:03:57] Sabrina Victoria: Yes. Yes. [00:04:00] And I. I was just young and dumb and totally naive, and he didn't present it like, now you're gonna work for me.

[00:04:08] Yvonne Heimann: Oh, it, it never presents like that. Yeah. It's like, hey, this is so much easier. Yeah. And we can spend time together. Yeah.

[00:04:16] Sabrina Victoria: Yes, a hundred percent. So, eight years in, I'm on the floor, um, in the bathroom, in the dark, crying my eyes out. Mental abuse, emotional abuse, sexual abuse, financial abuse, obviously to the tenth.

[00:04:31] Sabrina Victoria: And I'm just having a total breakdown in the bathroom. And, uh, I pulled out my phone. I like to say that Google saved my life. I Googled why is my boyfriend bullying me? And the entire world of narcissistic abuse, toxic relationships, empathy, codependency, uh, voice power, confidence, uh, financial abuse just hit me right in the face.

[00:04:56] Sabrina Victoria: And I had to make a choice. Mm-hmm. like, now that I know all this stuff, what am I [00:05:00] gonna do? Am I gonna just continue to lead this life cuz it's kind of safe and I know what to expect.

[00:05:09] Yvonne Heimann: Yeah. To everybody that has not been in that situation, um, it might sound really, really weird to somebody that has not experienced it.

[00:05:21] Yvonne Heimann: There is a safety to knowing where you at and who you are with? Yes, it sounds completely insane and believe me, to us who have been in a situation like that, looking back, it, it does still sound weird and insane, but there is a feeling of safety and comfort knowing what you have, rather than having the unknowing of what you potentially could have.

[00:05:49] Sabrina Victoria: 100. Yeah.

[00:05:51] Yvonne Heimann: And don't get me wrong. It's like there, there was a young Yvi in the past that was like, this would never happen to me. I see the red flags. Yeah. [00:06:00] I ended up luckily not quite as bad, but I ended up in a, in a narcissistic relationship twice. The last time I got out of one, after four years, it took me two years just to even learn again who the hell am I. Because it was so sneaky, it was so well performed and dressed up. My hat is off to anybody that makes it out of a narcissistic relationship and can put themselves back together because that stuff, toxic is not even the right word for it.

[00:06:37] Sabrina Victoria: Yeah, definitely. Totally.

[00:06:40] Yvonne Heimann: So, and as, as I can tell, you, you did make the decision to get out of there. It seems like.

[00:06:46] Sabrina Victoria: Yes. I, um, I wound up opening up a secret bank account, a secret storage unit. I started three online secret businesses, one of them being my company or the pretense of the company that I own [00:07:00] now, and started collecting money. I just started collecting money. It took me four years.

[00:07:06] Yvonne Heimann: Wow. What, what I would love to, because I'm pretty sure sooner or later we're gonna have a couple of listeners in here that are like, but I'm married to them.

[00:07:13] Yvonne Heimann: How, how can I open up a secret bank account? And I don't know. So even if you are married, you can go and, and just open a bank account that's just attached to your name.

[00:07:24] Sabrina Victoria: A hundred percent you can. Yes. However, my story, I was not married, but yeah, good 100%. Again, I know this because of other podcasts or interviews I've done with other women.

[00:07:35] Sabrina Victoria: Yeah, you can go as a man or a wife and go get a separate bank account from your spouse secretly without them knowing it. Good.

[00:07:42] Yvonne Heimann: Cause I'm like, that's you. Where, where are you gonna hide cash? Where are you gonna get cash nowadays? Everything is online. So trying to get out of a situation like that, you need a bank account.

[00:07:57] Sabrina Victoria: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:07:58] Yvonne Heimann: And you need to be able to get your money. [00:08:00]

[00:08:00] Sabrina Victoria: Uh, it was heavy. And for those of you that are listening and like, that's not loyal and how dare you? All of that went through my head. All that went through my head as far as like, what kind of woman am I? What kind of person am I? What kind of partner I am, am I?

[00:08:14] Sabrina Victoria: But it gets to the point, if you are in a real abusive relationship, it's survival.

[00:08:20] Yvonne Heimann: Yeah. It's at that point it's, it's just you, yourself trying to survive. Yeah. I'm sorry. Um, yes. When you were in it, again, I completely understand that looking from the outside, there is a point where it's like, they are not loyal to you.

[00:08:36] Yvonne Heimann: They're breaking you down to the bone. They do not deserve your loyalty, and they don't deserve anybody feeling guilty trying to survive and set themself up to be able to survive.

[00:08:51] Sabrina Victoria: Yeah, exactly.

[00:08:53] Yvonne Heimann: But I also know now logic is not necessarily something we have in a situation like that. [00:09:00]

[00:09:01] Sabrina Victoria: Definitely.

[00:09:01] Yvonne Heimann: And a lot of us are deeply emotional, so yeah.

[00:09:07] Sabrina Victoria: But I did it. I did it. I'm like, I'm not doing this anymore. I saw the rollercoaster. I had been journaling for a couple of years, so I saw that the gaslighting that he was doing to me was, you know, I did know what I was talking about. I was being abused. So, yeah, I just started collecting money.

[00:09:27] Sabrina Victoria: It took me four years. The journey is insane to get this money. But I wound up collecting $50,000, which is not a lot, but to me it was like a million dollars.

[00:09:38] Yvonne Heimann: When you are in a situation like that, that's a lot. Not even normal people can just save together 50k.

[00:09:46] Sabrina Victoria: Yeah. $50,000 over four years. And I, I literally escaped.

[00:09:52] Sabrina Victoria: I left with my son, our clothes and my bicycle, and I totally started over again from scratch with a mattress on the floor [00:10:00] and, um, just kept, kept rolling with my business. I am where I am now and, uh, it's been, definitely has been a journey even that has been a journey.

[00:10:13] Yvonne Heimann: Ah, isn't it ever? Yes.

[00:10:17] Yvonne Heimann: So let's, let's talk about what are you doing right now? How are you working? Who are you working with? What are you doing?

[00:10:25] Sabrina Victoria: Yes. So I do a lot of different things, but the thing that I am the most passionate about is I have a community called Her Nation. It revolves around uplifting women, empowering women, and helping women rise.

[00:10:40] Sabrina Victoria: We have support groups, we have, um, entrepreneurial masterminds, um, one-on-one coaching, all the goodness that goes along with that. Most of the stuff that I do is based around entrepreneurship and money. Yeah, also community, because that is where my story comes from. So I had no community. I had no money.

[00:10:59] Sabrina Victoria: So [00:11:00] now I'm running the opposite of that. And it's all about bringing us together, rising together, and really helping us shift those limiting beliefs about money and the fact that we can talk about it and we can have it and we can ask for it, because the products and the services that we are attaining are worthy of an exchange.

[00:11:25] Yvonne Heimann: Uh, as I'm getting goosebumps, it's interesting. I had a long conversation with a friend of mine last night, actually. I think we were on the phone for like two hours. Um, talking about exactly that, where she is like, it was funny because we all struggle with, with certain things, right? It's like what you see public is not necessarily what, what actually happens behind the scenes.

[00:11:48] Yvonne Heimann: And as I mentioned, I've done a lot of work over the last three years on me, on my business, on my mindset, all the things. Yet there is still limiting beliefs. There [00:12:00] are still old strategies and habits that are running in my head and I'm like, goddammit, I'm doing it again. And it's just kind of like on an autopilot.

[00:12:08] Yvonne Heimann: And we were talking last night and she's like, Yvi, I'm like you. She's like, you got your stuff together, you were the badass. And I'm like, yeah, I might be able to show up like a badass for other people, but I still have money limiting beliefs. I literally had to build out strategies for me to get my clients to already have an idea of what my pricing point is going to be because I feel bad for charging and I'm like, money is an exchange of energy.

[00:12:43] Yvonne Heimann: I, I cannot take away my clients enjoyment and right to give me the energy to be the best for them that I can be. So it's, it's interesting to hear the problems that are coming up through your community that, that you are [00:13:00] working with women in your community and just knowing I'm not the only one in that, and no matter how bad ass we might be looking out in the public, there often are some struggles and some growth and things that are happening behind the scenes that everybody is working on.

[00:13:19] Sabrina Victoria: Yeah, 100% definitely.

[00:13:23] Yvonne Heimann: So you mentioned there's a whole bunch of things going on. So your business is not just kind of like one-on-one consulting. You got the community going on. You got masterminds going on. You got calls going on. So you've got the one-on-one going. There's a lot going on.

[00:13:38] Sabrina Victoria: Yeah. There is, and I love it.

[00:13:42] Yvonne Heimann: It's like it never gets boring. It's never just the same thing, is it?

[00:13:46] Sabrina Victoria: Yeah. I absolutely love it.

[00:13:48] Yvonne Heimann: Um, how do you make all of that happen? I'm pretty sure you need some workflows and processes behind the scenes to, to stay up to date with all the things.

[00:13:58] Sabrina Victoria: Yes, [00:14:00] 100%. Um, so my niche that I predom the foundation of all of my coaching is time management organization.

[00:14:08] Yvonne Heimann: So, um, we're talking the same language.

[00:14:13] Sabrina Victoria: So it's something that I've always been able to do. It's something that just innately is in me. You know, throughout forever, literally forever. Even the way that I was able to get out of that situation was very methodical, very calculated, very planned out. I had lists and notes and graphs and plans on like the system on how I was going to escape the relationship.

[00:14:38] Sabrina Victoria: So all I did was I just kept transferring all of the stuff and now it is a business that I'm now using that stuff for versus just everyday life. But I think that it is important for people to recognize that our life is a business, just like a business is a business. So there needs to be processes, processes that are happening on both [00:15:00] ends.

[00:15:00] Sabrina Victoria: And that's what I really talk about. So for me, you know, 30 days is the way that I plan out everything with my life. It's all in 30 day increments. And then on top of that 90 day increments. So I go by 90 day goals, and then I do 30, 30 and 30. And I predominantly, for the most part know exactly what's gonna be happening 30 days at a time.

[00:15:23] Sabrina Victoria: And that goes from everything from client calls to podcasting, to, um, social media content where I'm showing up live, it's all planned out very, very well. And what, what happens is when you do that, when you take two or three hours, you know, a few days before the beginning of the month to sit down and just really hash it out.

[00:15:45] Sabrina Victoria: It makes all the days just so much easier.

[00:15:51] Yvonne Heimann: Girl, I feel, yeah. We are just getting to the point. I'm like, I produce a lot of content, right? And it's like now it's not just YouTube and short [00:16:00] form content, now I decided to add a podcast to this, too. Sure. Why not? We can do it. And it's been, it's been interesting because I'm great at teaching other people how to plan and get to the point of being proactive rather than reactive.

[00:16:19] Yvonne Heimann: But we are just now, literally this month, getting to a point where we are, when it comes to content, nearly two months ahead of time. My January YouTube videos are recorded. My shorts are recorded. They still need to be edited, but my editor is on the fly. Not a problem. We'll start on that next week. Yep. I told you in the green room where it's like you, um, my live shows, because again, now with the pre-recorded live show, I'll be able to actually have guests from all over the world.

[00:16:52] Yvonne Heimann: We will have the, the live shows and, and the podcast guests ready and scheduled for January and February, too. [00:17:00] I have an idea what the topics are gonna be of the month and it's like, I'm not gonna have to sit here and sweat bullets because I don't know what to record for Youtube. It's there and it's, it's been interesting to, to analyze this situation.

[00:17:19] Yvonne Heimann: Again, I have other people doing this and I'm, I'm, I'm the kabbala with the bad shoes. Right. But looking at this, it's this, it's this peace of mind. It's this, it's done. I can focus on launching my group coaching program. I can focus on optimizing my ads for anything because I literally just sat down and I took two days.

[00:17:47] Yvonne Heimann: I took one day to come up with the topics on what I wanna talk about and draft them out on how the video's gonna go. And then I had another day where I just recorded the YouTube long videos and the short form videos and [00:18:00] done. I, I only had to do my makeup once. Getting it done. It's all there. It's like, it's, it's fun and weird all at the same time when you start changing your business from reactive to proactive and you are able to do this this month out.

[00:18:19] Yvonne Heimann: But again, for everybody that's listening, guys. I don't, I don't know how you are, Sabrina, but we didn't start out with being able to plan out a month. My business was, I was still figuring out how I, how I would things, how I do things. I was constantly testing. So guys, you don't have to start with planning everything out for the next 30 days or for the next 60 days or the next 90 days.

[00:18:44] Yvonne Heimann: Start one week at a time. Sit down, take a couple of hours, because especially when you start out, things take a little bit longer than when you're getting used to it. Plan your next Miguel, get it done, and then just start adding to it.

[00:18:57] Sabrina Victoria: Yeah, definitely. And I think it's also important [00:19:00] to recognize that there's pivoting that happens.

[00:19:02] Sabrina Victoria: You know, as you're kinda going along, I know there's been tons of stuff for me where I start doing things. I'm on a roll and then I'm like, this is just not resonating with me. Like, I'm just not appreciating this. And then recognizing that you're not married to it, you can pivot. We can also just pivot in our business, it's our business. That's what's so cool about it. We're so used to being in school and like once you do a thing, you have to like do the thing and you have to like take math and then you're committed to math the whole time. You don't have to. You can literally pivot as many times as you want when you're your own boss, and that's one of the wonders about it.

[00:19:35] Yvonne Heimann: Yeah. And if you need a permission slip, here it is. I literally pretty much took December off for that matter, where it's like we are reorganizing things. We are restructuring our content plan and, and what I'm talking about, it's things are changing for 2023 and I'm like, I'm not gonna try to stress myself.

[00:19:56] Yvonne Heimann: Just because I've done this for the last month doesn't mean I [00:20:00] cannot take a break. And I took a break on a couple of the social media platforms where I'm just like, you know what? We have so much to do on figuring this out and laying this out and what we wanna do and what, what the value is we are providing.

[00:20:12] Yvonne Heimann: So here's your permission slip. You can take a break.

[00:20:16] Sabrina Victoria: I love it.

[00:20:17] Yvonne Heimann: People are still gonna be there when you come back.

[00:20:20] Sabrina Victoria: What programs did you take? What platforms did you kind of push aside for now?

[00:20:25] Yvonne Heimann: YouTube, actually, one of my biggest ones.

[00:20:28] Sabrina Victoria: Wow. Why?

[00:20:29] Yvonne Heimann: One of my biggest ones because, um, I needed to pause. I needed to be quiet and just sit with myself of.

[00:20:43] Yvonne Heimann: I'm, I'm an ego driven person. I am. I'm always challenging myself, which also means everything to me is often a competition. That's one of the things that I'm working on where I'm like, I'm only competing with me, and I had fallen into the trap of thinking, I'm a [00:21:00] YouTuber. I'm not a YouTuber. I'm a business that provides value, that uses YouTube as a marketing.

[00:21:07] Yvonne Heimann: That doesn't necessarily mean I approach YouTube differently than quote a YouTuber, but it means that I'm focusing on different things than YouTubers do, and I needed to sit with that. I needed to listen within and own that to stop running myself rampant on YouTube, trying to hit whatever freaking numbers that don't matter, because subscribers on YouTube doesn't mean you are making that much more money.

[00:21:39] Yvonne Heimann: It doesn't. Most of the views on YouTube are coming from people that are not subscribed. The people that are coming to me, working with me have watched me on YouTube and I have never seen them in the comment section and chances are, they're not even subscribed, but they're coming in and they are paying me three, five, 10,000 bucks a month.

[00:21:58] Yvonne Heimann: Yeah. So [00:22:00] it was that process for me to stop, sit with myself and be quiet and realize that I am a business marketing on YouTube and I'm not a YouTuber. I don't care how much marketing money I get on YouTube. I shouldn't care how much subscriber I have. Yeah, it still is a metric that I'm paying attention to, but what it comes down to is the people that are actually paying my bills.

[00:22:27] Yvonne Heimann: What are they getting out of my YouTube? What do I need to talk about? No matter how many views those videos get to reach that market that I want to reach. And that's where I was just like through that process, just just ramping out videos to ramp up videos doesn't help anybody. So we decided, we'll take a quick break and it also gave us the time to work ahead and really get into this one to two month pre-planned schedule.

[00:22:59] Sabrina Victoria: I [00:23:00] love it. Yeah. Awesome.

[00:23:02] Yvonne Heimann: What are some of your tools that you love using while we are in, in the whole tech sector here?

[00:23:08] Sabrina Victoria: Yes. So, um, we were talking about LY right before we got on, and I actually might be changing now because I, so right before we got on, I asked Yvi about her schedule cause I got this really awesome like, email or something from her to remind me of it.

[00:23:26] Sabrina Victoria: And I'm like, this is so pretty. Um, so I asked her before we got live, like, what do you use for your scheduler? Um, she said, Book like a Boss, which is awesome. But I use Calendly for all of my, um, booking stuff, and I have like 16 different things that they can use with all color coded, and I, it's beautiful. Um, and then, uh, so I do programs.

[00:23:51] Sabrina Victoria: I also do, um, online programs like video content. Mm-hmm. , so I use Teachable for that. Nice. And then my feed pages are [00:24:00] all through Thrive Cart. What else? I use StreamYard for my podcasting. And then my CRM is Pro Pipeline.

[00:24:12] Yvonne Heimann: Oh, I have not heard about those yet.

[00:24:14] Sabrina Victoria: Huh? Something like that. So yeah, so that's where I keep all of my, um, all of my predominantly ladies that I am communicating with and either jumping on a podcast or clients or whatever it is.

[00:24:26] Sabrina Victoria: And that's how I kind of stay organized with all of the inner workings of my business to make sure I'm keeping in contact with everybody.

[00:24:35] Yvonne Heimann: So the interesting thing is, um, you mentioned Thrive Cart. We are actually moving right now, so I'm a complete tech nerd, right? I know how to build WordPress and WooCommerce and LearnDash and all the things.

[00:24:48] Yvonne Heimann: And my thing for 2023 was I want simple. I want simple. I don't wanna have to update. I just want simple. And we ended up going [00:25:00] with Thrive Cart and they'll learn plus add-on. So going simple where it's like, I really don't need that much. I just need to be able to easy and simple, be able to deliver. I have a lot, a lot of people in my community that are like, I wanna be affiliate Thrive Cart has this built in.

[00:25:19] Yvonne Heimann: You got the tracking built in. So it'll be interesting to see. Um, it's, it's funny because my community is always like, really, you're making us move? I'm like, yeah, I do, because I wanna have it easy for me and easy for you. But they're, they're usually also just as much as two old nerds as I am. So we share the experience in between when, when moving things.

[00:25:45] Yvonne Heimann: So it'll, it'll be interesting to see.

[00:25:48] Sabrina Victoria: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I watched one YouTube video on how to convert, how to move from Teachable to Thrive Cart. It was like [00:26:00] probably a 40-minute tutorial, whatever with this guy and my head just started to hurt. So I hadn't moved over yet. It just seems so like cumbersome to do it.

[00:26:13] Sabrina Victoria: But yeah, I saw the Learn Plus they like notify, uh, you know, they notified me and told me that they started this whole new arena and gave me a really good price. And I was like, okay, I'll think about it. So I watched a YouTube video and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is just so extra to move everything over, but it's worth the price.

[00:26:32] Yvonne Heimann: Oh yeah. I'm like, Thrive Cart. I'm like one, sometimes I'm like, are they just gonna close down doors at some point? Because they've been a lifetime bill for how long now? Yeah. Um, the nice thing is, so Learn Plus, they're paid to learn poorly because there's a free version. I think a the free add-on to play with it, and then you get the plus add-on and it allows you to import users. So when you're coming from somewhere else past that import of users. Yeah. I have to [00:27:00] admit, um, I had to wrap my head around products and courses and projects and all the things, um, in the end from, from what we are trying to build with the new program. I love it because I literally just have to build something once, and I have, I'm gonna have different levels.

[00:27:21] Yvonne Heimann: So I'm gonna have the group coaching program that has access to my ClickUp 101 training, my ClickUp 102 training, but I'm like, I have these, these 101 trainings sitting around. Why just have those for the group coaching? So being able to sell those as an unlimited membership, meaning, as long as you pay, you have access, watch how much ever you want to, so once I wept my head around and there comes Melody Johnson, shout out to her, my group coaching girl. She's all memberships and Thrive Cart. That girl has answered [00:28:00] so many of my questions where I'm like, okay, can I do this? Can I do that? How do I do this? So if I wouldn't have had her this move probably wouldn't have happened.

[00:28:07] Yvonne Heimann: But yeah, it's, it's fun. But again, I always say the tool, the best tool is the one you actually use. Yeah. Teachable works for you. Don't move. Yeah, you're fine. Yeah, you're fine. Yeah. And then how do you want, how do you want your community? So you're doing that in a Facebook group.

[00:28:25] Sabrina Victoria: Yep. I have a Facebook group called Her Nation.

[00:28:28] Sabrina Victoria: And then, um, I have a Slack. I have a Slack. I don't even know what Slack is. It's like a messaging tool. Yeah. Pretty cool. So, um, my ladies who have been on the podcast are in one channel. My ladies who are in my business mastermind are in another channel and so on and so forth. So I have like, I dunno, six or seven different channels.

[00:28:46] Sabrina Victoria: And each one has just a sect of individuals. And that's how I kind of keep everyone close. Email to me, I, I don't send out emails like a lot of these coaches and entrepreneurs are doing. I'm getting hit like [00:29:00] every single day, which is fine. Like, no, I will probably get there someday. Um, but I just, for me, I don't really open them.

[00:29:08] Sabrina Victoria: I just throw 'em in the trash. So I assume other people are possibly doing the same thing. So on my Slack, I have like immediate access to everybody and I just do little tiny shout outs here and there. If they're interested, they do. If they're not, they're not. And everybody's just opening it and clicking it.

[00:29:24] Sabrina Victoria: It's not this whole long process. So that's been working for me up to this point.

[00:29:29] Yvonne Heimann: No worries. Yeah, I never thought of it that way. I'm like, I like, I like the idea of this is the platform here is where it's at. I like that. Now my brain is working on things.

[00:29:44] Sabrina Victoria: Yeah, it's not as invasive.

[00:29:46] Sabrina Victoria: And then also there's enough other chatter in there where it doesn't seem like a sounding board of like every time you get an email from somebody, you just assume they're selling you something. So it's like, do I wanna buy from this person? Yes or no? I mean, [00:30:00] maybe, I'll see, click it. If you know, you're just not really in line with them, you just delete it.

[00:30:05] Sabrina Victoria: But when you're in a channel like that, or like a messaging or something like that, and you get notified, you don't know if it's sales or if it's somebody putting up a meme or if it's gonna be something funny. If it's gonna be a joke or if it's gonna, you know what I mean? Like you don't know. So my stuff just kind of flows in with all the extra conversation that's happening in there.

[00:30:26] Yvonne Heimann: It just feels organic. Yeah. It's like, it's just part of the conversation.

[00:30:30] Sabrina Victoria: Yeah, definitely. But email marketing, like I do plan on adding that at some point more, more aggressively. Yeah. As a lot of these ladies are doing. I just haven't gotten there yet.

[00:30:41] Yvonne Heimann: Oh, yeah. And it's just, it's, it's a buildup.

[00:30:42] Yvonne Heimann: It's like, cool, this is working right now. Once I'm able to add more, it just gets added. Yeah. So, Sabrina, tell the audience where can they find you? And yes, guys, the links will be in the short description.

[00:30:56] Sabrina Victoria: Um, the main website is easy. It's my name [00:31:00] sabrinavictoria.com, and then I am everywhere on social media under Sabrina Victoria.

[00:31:05] Sabrina Victoria: That's me. Just look for the big, curly hair.

[00:31:08] Yvonne Heimann: Oh, the gorgeous, big curly hair. When I saw your headshot come through, I'm like, oh my God, I wish I had hair like that. The big, gorgeous curly hair, guys.

[00:31:19] Sabrina Victoria: Thank you.

[00:31:20] Yvonne Heimann: Thank you so much for joining me and guys, I will be hearing and seeing you in our next episode as other people share how they boss their business.

[00:31:30] Yvonne Heimann: Thanks, Sabrina.